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Currently there seems to be no way of doing blanket minimum font size setting in chrome (firefox has it). That is causes eye strain in certain high resolution screens with certain websites. Google Help forum on chrome also has users complaining about this: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=389f306a52817110&hl=en (and other blogs have also mentioned this problem) If there is a solution available, it would be nice of the help forum is also updated. Thanks!
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Feb 23 2009
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Apr 8 2009
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Apr 18 2009
i agree. using the Google homepage, all the text on my 22" is annoying to read at normal size. pretty irritating to have to ctrl+ each time i load up the browser.
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May 14 2009
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Jun 24 2009
What is the status of this? It doesn't seem to be available yet
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Jul 15 2009
In issue 16875 , I'll make the default minimum font size pref (for webkit) larger for zh*, ja, ko, ar, th (and perhaps all Indian locales). That'll partly resolve this issue for now. I meant to do it a long while ago, but haven't managed to. BTW, a user can edit the preference directly without UI (of course, that's not very user-friendly). See the answer at http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=389f306a52817110&hl=en
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Jul 15 2009
As for the way two preferences are used, see issue 16875 comment 3.
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Jul 21 2009
Issue 17099 has been merged into this issue.
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Aug 15 2009
Chrome is overwriting the preferences file. So this workaround (changing webkit preferences) is not working anymore
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Aug 17 2009
Xiaolu, can you check if we overwrites the customized web preferences? The file has to be edited when Chrome is NOT running. If it's edited with Chrome running, the file will be overwritten.
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Nov 29 2009
Any update? Chrome was NOT running when I saved the file.
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Nov 29 2009
Again, this remains the only reason I haven't switched to chrome on my laptop (fonts look too small)
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Nov 30 2009
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Dec 11 2009
The problem is not only large resolution related. The lack of this setting also makes nearly impossible for most people to use Chrome on netbooks. BTW: Great thanks to jshin for the link.
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Dec 18 2009
Area-UI-Features label replaces Area-BrowserUI label
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Jan 1 2010
Any news on this? This makes the browser unusable because even ctrl+ makes larger fonts much larger in comparison to the smallest font. I think this should be higher priority.
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Jan 1 2010
Ok, I tried the workaround. And it works. No more really small unreadable text.
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Feb 1 2010
Issue 33845 has been merged into this issue.
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Feb 1 2010
The workaround works, but is impractical. Sometimes the font size needs to be adjusted, either bigger or smaller. Using the workaround means shutting down chrome, editing file, starting up chrome again. Then when done with site, doing the workaround again. If you're on a laptop you have it set to size you like. But then if you connect to a monitor/projector, you have to do the workaround. Then when you disconnect monitor you have to do workaround again to set back to way you like. Really, the option should be built into chrome.
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Feb 2 2010
On the workaround—I can't figure out how to do the workaround in Mac OS X (I'm using 5.0.307.1 dev). There's a preference PList file ~/Library/Preferences/com.google.Chrome.plist, but it contains no WebKit settings. Is there a way to do the workaround in OS X? This feature is essential for accessibility and preventing eyestrain. Firefox and Safari can do it, and they do it well.
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Feb 17 2010
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Mar 10 2010
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Mar 17 2010
@21 see ~/Library/Application Support/Google/Chrome/Default/Preferences
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Mar 18 2010
For users like me still struggling with this problem, there seem to be some useful extensions (like Firefox's NoSquint) here: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/search? itemlang=&q=zoom
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Mar 19 2010
Chrome really needs built in "zoom" for fonts as well as pages, similar to the nosquint firefox addon. This is still a problem in Chrome 5 Dev. . . as well as not being able to set a minimum font size ;) I've tried many of the zoom extensions and while they are handy none of them solve the font issue, they are page zoom only. The one for increasing the font size doesn't work that often. . .we should simply have ctrl++ for increase page zoom and crtl+shift++ for increase font size and it ought to be remembered both for domains as well as sub-domains--even better would allow user setting like NoSquint. This issue is driving me back to firefox though I would rather use chrome. . . my eyes just can't take it any longer lol. thx
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Mar 23 2010
So what is the verdict on changing the font size in Chrome? It's difficult to read webpages on an iMac without using Ctl-(mouse scroll button), which enlarges pages outside the borders of the monitor. I think I'll keep using Safari.
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Apr 9 2010
Update please..
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Apr 25 2010
yes it is very irritting plese increse the font size bigger automatically on google chrome
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Apr 25 2010
Note that this font problem also extends to the interface of the browser (e.g., the text for the title of each tab) At high resolutions on relatively small screens (e.g., notebooks with 1080p displays) it would be nice to increase the size of everything---make the buttons larger, etc.
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May 2 2010
I've made an extension which works as a (rather hacky, perhaps crude) fix for this issue on websites (doesn't fix the Chrome interface problem mentioned in comment 30). Basically searches all elements which might contain text and checks whether the font is lower than the user-set minimum. The check is run on page load, and on DOMSubtreeModified (actually meant to use DOMNodeInsertedIntoDocument, but SubtreeModified also catches InnerHTML additions, in case the former doesn't). If it finds the font size is smaller than the minimum, it sets it to the minimum. I had also begun working on making a pageAction which appeared when the content-script had found fonts smaller than the minimum, which would allow you to disable the script for the current page, but that became too complicated (too much message passing, which is already complicated, and event listeners) and so I gave up on it for now. Anyway, it's called Minimum Font. I believe a browser implementation would be much cleaner and provide a better solution. However, until then, hopefully this will help smooth the transition. Any feedback would be appreciated, but not on this bug (send me an e-mail, or make a comment on the extension page). Thanks!
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Jun 4 2010
There is a way to set the minimum font size using the preferences file without resorting to extensions. For Mac OS X do as follows or see http://emps.l-c-n.com/notebook/chrome- minimum-font-size for Linux. On Mac OS X you normally expect application preferences to be in ~Library/Preferences which contains .plist files. However for Chromium and Google Chrome the preferences are kept in their respective folders in ~Library/Application Support. You have to edit the respective preference file with a text editor. Look for the webkit section typically at the end of the file. For Chromium edit ~/Library/Application Support/Chromium/Default/Preferences For Google Chrome edit ~/Library/Application Support/Google/Chrome/Default/Preferences "webkit": { "webprefs": { "default_fixed_font_size": 13, "default_font_size": 16, "fixed_font_family": "Menlo", "minimum_font_size": 14, "minimum_logical_font_size": 14, "sansserif_font_family": "Helvetica", "serif_font_family": "Times", "standard_font_is_serif": false } } These are my webkit settings feel free to play with font sizes to your liking.
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Jun 7 2010
I take it these lines have to be added. Why aren't these options reflected in the preferences panel in the browser? Does google not feel these issues should be addressed? I would rather have a busted layout that I can at least see than preserve the a designers look that is virtually invisible for me.
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Jun 8 2010
I'd be interested in getting feedback on how extensions like work for those on this thread: * Minimum Font (mentioned earlier on this thread: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/pofdgleodhojjnibdfnlapkadjepdnka * Change Colors (also provides some font resizing options): https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/jbmkekhehjedonbhoikhhkmlapalklgn Could someone give me some detailed feedback on what works/what does not work well with those? Thanks, Jonas Klink Accessibility Product Manager, Google
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Jun 8 2010
I can say (as the creator of Minimum Font) that my extension will not catch all tags, since it relies on a list; for example, I recently had to add <small> and <textarea> because some users noticed they weren't being set to the size they specified (because they weren't in the list). On dynamic pages (ones that add elements to the DOM) there is a delay between when the element is added and when it is resized, so that on very dynamic pages my extension doesn't increase the load on the CPU too much (recently added a setting to modify the delay, though, for those who think it's too long). I don't use the extension too heavily myself, so you'll have to ask someone else for more about actual performance, but it seems to do the job most of the time. (sorry about the double-post; didn't realize my brother was signed in.) Btw, is Google considering adding these options? I still think a native browser option would be better than an extension, no matter how good it may be.
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Jun 8 2010
The answer to your question will vary depending on the feature the extension is covering. As you know, Chrome is built on a principle of minimalism, while making it as easy as possible for extending and customizing your experience (that's where great extension developers like yourself come in). That being said, there may be some cases where features should live in the browser, rather than in an extension, or simply make it really easy for the right set of quality extensions to be added. I can only speak for Accessibility, but if you're interested in tracking what's ongoing (and coming), see the Chrome Accessibility design document (where I've been referring to your extension): http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/accessibility#TOC-Adjusting-Font-Face-and-Size Keep up the great work, and if anyone else is interested in helping out with improving our Access situation in Chrome, please feel free to write me directly. In the mean time, I appreciate any feedback on these extensions, so we can all keep help making them better.
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Jun 8 2010
Of course, I was just asking in relation to this feature. I realize that it's not better in every case. Thanks!
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Jun 8 2010
@klink i have read a lot of complaints about a similar feature in Issue 8947 , you may want to give that one a look
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Jun 8 2010
Hi Jonas, I believe it is a big mistake to implement minimum font size as an extension. The functionality is already implemented in webkit and just requires a simple Chrome preferences interface update which modifies the webkit section of Chrome’s preference file. Safari, Firefox, Opera and other browsers all have a minimum font size setting in their respective preference windows. The method of manually updating the preference file I’ve shown a few comments up works perfectly and instantaneously on Mac OS X, Linux and probably Windows too. However for many potential non-tech users of Chrome this is off-putting and well outside their comfort zone. So for their benefit I suggest an interface update to make this hidden preference easily accessible as it’s very important to many of us. I wouldn’t use Chrome if I couldn’t specify the minimum font size. Would anyone find a simple video showing how to modify the preference file useful, if so I’ll upload one to youtube if requested.
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Jun 9 2010
I agree with #41. Minimum and default font size should not require an extension nor hand editing a preference file. It goes against normal, expected usage and the argument of minimalism doesn't apply here. It does apply, I think, to font parameters for chrome's own 'chrome'
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Jun 15 2010
Yes, I agree that Google Chrome should implement a solution that integrates the font size minimum as an option in the user preference file. I like using Google Chrome browser a lot except for this hard-to-read feature. The font size is way too small for my eyes.
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Jun 15 2010
People, I started this issue with my post back in Google Group for Chrome over a year ago, almost 18 months now. I was so excited to get on this new browser at the time.... Somehow my thread got co-opted over here. I'm not even sure why or what this place is - why did it move from Google Group? At any rate, I simply asked back then why we (users) cannot size up the page and have it stick in Chrome the way anyone can in the other browsers available. It's a simple question: users are used to being able to simply adjust the size of the text (and the PHOTOS and GRAPHICS - the ENTIRE web page) on their browser until it's comfortable for them to view - so why doesn't Chrome offer this? So far, in over a year, all I've seen (here and on my old original google group thread) is a few very involved solution suggestions that involve reprogramming some file no one even knows about (unless you are a programmer) and only a handful of google employees appearing on the thread (the old one and this one) every few months talking about how this is being addressed, how volunteers need to step up to help fix this and so on. What the hay is going on? Doesn't google believe in making a USABLE product? Your browser may be running at a million rpm but NO ONE is going to use it if they cannot see what is displayed on the screen! NO ONE outside the few 20 something techie programmer types who know every nerdy detail about the inner workings of files and settings and preferences and how to program that to make the thing USABLE. Or those than enjoy squinting - it's tough even on 20/20! How much more simply does this have to be written? Maybe you guys think that it's all about 20 year olds and their keen eyes - it's not. The baby boomers are aging, so are genX but we're going to be around for 3 or 4 more decades. Are you just dumping us? Is that the message with the lack of attention to this? We are nearly all computer users and we CANNOT USE THIS BROWSER without a simple fix: make it so we can set the display size for the pages we view from the web that is readable FOR US! Thank you! And, can anyone tell me why this simple issue --- it's already been solved by other browser makers, hint, hint, copy their approach --- is still not fixed after all these months and all these people complaining about it? What do we need to do? March on Google headquarters? It's not just my thread where people complained about this but there are a couple others too. In fact, some nerd at google tried to make them all into separate issues based on how they were worded, because one was about font size and one was about zooming up the view size, etc. It's all the SAME ISSUE! WE CAN'T SEE THE SCREEN! FIX YOUR FAULTY PROGRAM. GIVE US A RADIO BUTTON TO SELECT, A BOX TO CHECK, A BUTTON TO CLICK IN SETTINGS. How hard can this be? I've always admired google for so many of their smart innovations - this just blows my mind. I can't believe how it's all played out. Unreal. BTW it's not that I couldn't learn to revise the program files to make this work - I DON'T WANT TO and all my 20+ years of experience with software (mainframe and desktop) has led me to expect that software is built for the user, ready and functional when you install it (save for upgrades) -- NOT that the user rebuilds it from day one because it won't function otherwise! Of course, I can build spreadsheets, macros, databases and integrated systems that are so complex yet functional that 99% of computer users would walk away from them rather than try to modify or decode them. Whole different ballpark, that's about using a tool to it's optimal function to do a job. See, your browser is the tool so it should already be in top shape we I install it so I can use it to do the job: display web pages that are legible for me!
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Jun 15 2010
I agree too, asking for minimum font sizes in user interface is not much, and has been dragging around for too long.
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Jun 15 2010
I've been using Google Chrome nearly 100% for 4 months or so. The font issue bugged me at first because I'm using it on a 17" notebook, thus it has smaller text; however, when zoomed 2x which I usually do to fill the screen it looks fine compared to other browsers--IE text is much smaller, Firefox is slightly larger, and Opera is slightly smaller. However, the big problem here is the LACK of ability to zoom text separate from the page. Firefox dropped text zoom for page zoom as did Chrome but a nice Firefox plugin (NoSquint) added the feature back in. It seems having these two features together is too difficult for browsers programmers, thus they need someone to write a plugin--yes, that's sarcasm. This is what people here, I believe, are really complaining about, the lack of TEXT ZOOM. Setting a minimum font often does little to nothing because web developers set the font of their page instead of leaving it up to the browser, thus this problem is as much to do with web developers as it does with Google. Web developers want their pages to be displayed in a very exact manner thus they override the browsers default nature. So we have a fight between the browser and web developer--which code should be over written by the browser? If we allow the browser settings to take precedence then you loose the experience the web designer intended, thus the best compromise is TEXT ZOOM just like we have page zoom. The Google Chrome team needs to look at such features as the "NOSQUINT" plugin and implement such a feature either built in or as an extension--contact the developer of NoSquint for Firefox and help him port it to Chrome. It should be simple, Google. Ctrl++ = zoom page | Ctrl+Shift++ = zoom text Many sites use proper sized fonts, and many don't. I feel this is the solution we are looking for.
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Jun 16 2010
I seldom use Chrome because of the font size and zoom problems. It is so frustrating to constantly have to zoom each new webpage. I like Chrome, but it too much of a hassle to use. The majority of the users (myself included) are not programmers and have no clue how to go in and do many of the "fixes" listed, as we (I) know we (I) would probably mess something up on our (my) computer and have to take it someplace to be fixed. This has been a problem since day one with Chrome. How in the world could it take so long to not be fixed? IE solved it a long time ago. It will also only get worse as the population ages, so Google needs to step up and fix it, or pay Microsoft for a license fee to use their zoom software function. If Google cannot fix it, then spend the money on a known solution. Just wait to you get the over 45-year old eyes with both glaucoma and cataracts and see what the miniscule font size does to your ability to use a computer.
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Jun 17 2010
Guys, this is such a simple request. Why hasn't it been implemented? IE, Firefox, and Safari all offer this feature. I'm squinting to see these words as I type them into the submission form. This is a showstopper usability issue for people who use high-dpi displays, or just folks with poor eyesight. Blazing fast javascript performance and out-of-process plugins don't do me a damned bit of good if I can't read the text on the page. :( You could gain a lot of new users by fixing this.
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Jun 17 2010
> This is a showstopper usability issue for people who use > high-dpi displays, or just folks with poor eyesight. > > Blazing fast javascript performance and out-of-process > plugins don't do me a damned bit of good if I can't read > the text on the page. :( Exactly. Does any developer read this comment thread?
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Jun 18 2010
See also bug 11321
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Jun 18 2010
jshin, thanks for the link. I hope that global zoom level and minimum font size will be implemented as separate features, because the former is not a replacement for the latter. I frequently see websites where 90% of the text is sized perfectly, and the remaining 10% is too small. In this case, a minimum font size is a much better solution than a global zoom, because global zoom alters everything, including the 90% that is already sized correctly.
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Aug 17 2010
The default minimum chrome font size has been forced set to 12px. (as of Chrome 5.0.375)
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Aug 17 2010
Minimum font size is the only reason that I do not switch to Chrome full time now. There is one particular webapp that I use for most of the day which, when viewed at 100% , is too big. If I use cmd - (Zoom Out) to make it more comfortable, the majority of the app is perfect, but there is some text that is then rendered too small. In Safari, this is not a problem because I can set the minimum font size to "never below 9pt". Apart from this, I would switch to Chrome full time.
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Aug 30 2010
Forum users continue to be very frustrated about the inability to specify min. font size: "Since they obviously can't fix this VERY EASY problem I have no choice but to uninstall it." Google Help forum thread: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=389f306a52817110&hl=en&start=160
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Sep 13 2010
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Sep 23 2010
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Oct 5 2010
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Oct 13 2010
The following revision refers to this bug:
http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?view=rev&revision=62450
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r62450 | csilv@chromium.org | Wed Oct 13 13:34:13 PDT 2010
Changed paths:
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/resources/options/font_settings.js?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/resources/options.html?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/tab_contents/tab_contents.cc?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/dom_ui/options/core_options_handler.cc?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/options_util.cc?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/dom_ui/options/core_options_handler.h?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/dom_ui/options/font_settings_handler.cc?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/resources/options/font_settings.html?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/app/generated_resources.grd?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
M http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/resources/options/preferences.js?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
A http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/browser/resources/options/font_settings_ui.js?r1=62450&r2=62449&pathrev=62450
dom-ui settings: Add setting for setting the minimum font size.
BUG= 7417
TEST=Exercise the minimum font size setting in dom-ui settings window.
Review URL: http://codereview.chromium.org/3584019
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Oct 13 2010
Added setting in dom-ui settings window only. Marking resolved for M9 as we expect dom-ui to be enabled.
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Oct 13 2010
When will it be available for Linux?
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Oct 13 2010
M9 for all platforms.
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Nov 28 2010
Sorry for the dumb question, but what's the DOM-UI settings window? I am using Chrome stable 7.0.517.44 and I can't seem to find a way to configure minimum font size... has it been merged on this version yet? If not, any ETA on M9?
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Nov 30 2010
Sorry, DOM-UI settings won't be coming until M10 at the earliest. Sit tight!
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Dec 1 2010
No problem, thks for the info =) Meanwhile I am setting webkit prefs by hand to configure minimum font size. BTW: is there any official roadmap for Chrome/Chromium where I can map milestones to releases?
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Dec 1 2010
Not really, but you can assume that each stable release (milestone) is approximately 6 weeks apart.
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Dec 1 2010
Thks, that should do it. Can I assume that current stable version corresponds to M8, then?
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Dec 1 2010
There may not be any official roadmap, but unofficially, Chromium milestone numbers have so far matched up with Chrome major releases. So the current (Dec 1, 2010) Chrome Stable 7.0.517.44 basically corresponds to Mstone-7.
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Dec 2 2010
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Jan 15 2011
The workaround (from JSHIN above) does not work. I've changed on Mac my "Preferences" file, but still no luck. Many sites, including this one, have hideously small fonts. Google team, please pay attention -- this is a very important issue. Instead of giving us useless trinkets with every update, first please fix the freaking basics.
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Jan 18 2011
verified as fixed in Google Chrome 10.0.639.0 (Official Build 71420) on Linux, Windows and Mac. we now have a minimum font size setting in the new Options/Preference html-based UI , in Under the hood > web content > Customize fonts settings window. please try the latest dev build for this feature.
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Jan 18 2011
Mac Chrome build 10.0.634.0 also has this feature
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Feb 18 2011
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Mar 18 2011
Currently there seems to be no way of doing blanket minimum font size setting in chrome (firefox has it). That is causes eye strain in certain high resolution screens with certain websites. Google Help forum on chrome also has users complaining about this: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=389f306a52817110&hl=en (and other blogs have also mentioned this problem) If there is a solution available, it would be nice of the help forum is also updated. Thanks!
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Mar 18 2011
Currently there seems to be no way of doing blanket minimum font size setting in chrome (firefox has it). That is causes eye strain in certain high resolution screens with certain websites. Google Help forum on chrome also has users complaining about this: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=389f306a52817110&hl=en (and other blogs have also mentioned this problem) If there is a solution available, it would be nice of the help forum is also updated. Thanks!
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Mar 19 2011
Currently there seems to be no way of doing blanket minimum font size setting in chrome (firefox has it). That is causes eye strain in certain high resolution screens with certain websites. Google Help forum on chrome also has users complaining about this: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=389f306a52817110&hl=en (and other blogs have also mentioned this problem) If there is a solution available, it would be nice of the help forum is also updated. Thanks!
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Mar 24 2011
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Oct 13 2012
This issue has been closed for some time. No one will pay attention to new comments. If you are seeing this bug or have new data, please click New Issue to start a new bug.
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