Assigning to Paul per his request.

Jeremy: Is my understanding correct that you do not plan to allow other CAs to log to this log, as Digicert currently does with its existing logs?

Relevant to recent discussions regarding CT policy, do you have an idea of how long you expect to operate this log? For example, is there an expected size limit or time duration, after which you expect to discontinue this log?

Thank you for your request, we have started monitoring your log server.
Should no issues be detected, the initial compliance monitoring phase
will be complete on 2017-Jun-04 and we will update this bug
shortly after that date to confirm.

Yes - this is our Symantec-like log (meaning DigiCert only) and is intended as an emergency fail-over if the existing log collapses.

There's no expected size limit or time duration for this log. As a DigiCert only log, we don't expect this log to ever fail because of size. As such, we expect to operate this log until the log policy or log code changes in a way that makes it more expedient to operate a  new log. 

Can you clarify what you mean "Symantec-like", as Symantec has indicated their logs are intended to support other CAs.

I'm not sure if a DigiCert-only log is consistent with the current log policies of operating in the public interest, and suspect that a discussion on ct-policy@chromium.org will be necessary before we can proceed with inclusion. This can happen in parallel to the monitoring period.

Where did Symantec indicate that? We've been told the Symnatec logs are not available to non-Symantec roots. It's a good policy discussion as "operating in the public interest" is extremely vague and doesn't provide clear guidance on what can and can't be included. What if we opened it to cross-signed CAs? Is that sufficient? 

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=692782#c5

Network bug triager here.  I'm confused by the request for feedback in comment #3, who is Jeremy?   Is feedback still required on this? if not please remove the label.

Whoops, I see.  Jeremy Rowley.  Sorry for the noise.

@5: Note: While we can begin compliance monitoring, I think there's still an open question for acceptance that we want to have on ct-policy@ regarding this, so that we can provide greater clarity to the community regarding "operating in the public interest"

@8: It looks like the VEGA log did not go through the expected approvals process, otherwise, that request would have been flagged sooner, as this has been. I'll start a discussion on ct-policy@ within the next few days discussing this, which may involve clarifications or changes to policy that affect logs which only accept certificates from a single organization, and how best to quantify public interest with respect to the set of accepted certificates. This conversation will directly affect this inclusion request, but we can and should allow compliance monitoring to continue to run in parallel and independent of that discussion.

@12: Could we also start a discussion on log policy transparency? Perhaps require each log operator to post their policy on inclusion of roots and (in case this is permitted for revoked or expired certs) exclusion of any certificates from the log? A public review of the policy would be useful for all logs to see how they benefit the public and whether the terms are reasonable. For example, we could charge $20 million per root embedded but then claim the log is open to all roots. 

@12: We already require log operators to be transparent about their policy

https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/certificate-transparency/log-policy
-  description of the Log, including applicable policies or requirements for logging certificates

and
Notify the Chromium developers of any and all changes to information gathered during the Log Inclusion by detailing such changes in an update to the bug on the Chromium Issue Tracker in which they requested Log Inclusion.

I'm talking more transparency. Take the first Digicert log as an example. There should be a public posting of the process required to include a root, the fees required, etc. Right now no log posts its policies and procedures for determining root inclusion or certificate exclusion online. Either the requirement is not sufficiently stated or no one is following it.

@15 I'll totally buy that :) It's a requirement to evolve based on community feedback.

Would you like to propose a modified set of questions for all logs (independent of this request) for an updated policy? As both a CA and a log operator, I suspect you'd have a unique perspective to offer the community to help improve this level of transparency to satisfy the needs of both

Looks to me like no feedback is currently needed here.  Removing label.  If I'm wrong, feel free to add it back.

This log has passed the initial 90 day compliance period and we will start
the process to add this to Chrome.

Quick clarification, Paul: It's completed the 90 day process :) The process of adding it to Chrome or not, at this point, is still outstanding based on a continued discussion on ct-policy@ regarding the appropriateness to add this, with respect to "operating in the public interest", as per https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/certificate-transparency/log-policy

We've decided to make this an open, free log for all publicly trusted
CAs to use for unexpired SSL certs. I hope that resolves any questions
about appropriateness.

This log is still only accepting Digicert roots:
/C=US/O=DigiCert, Inc./CN=DigiCert CT Test Root
/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert Global Root CA
/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert Global Root G2
/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert Global Root G3
/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert Trusted Root G4
/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert Assured ID Root CA
/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert Assured ID Root G2
/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert Assured ID Root G3
/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA
/C=GB/ST=London/O=Google UK Ltd./OU=Certificate Transparency/CN=Merge Delay Monitor Root

Could you please advise when you intend to make it an open log?

I just asked our CT team to add all roots trusted in NSS. Should be updated soon.

This log is still only accepting Digicert roots.

Do you expect the roots to be updated later than within the next 24 hours?

Yes. It's scheduled for this morning.

Thanks, this log is now accepting certificates issued by 173 different roots.

I'm not sure why sheriffbot didn't ping this, but it landed in https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/6faeef0f0300547242c025a122479b7e036d3e46

Setting Merge-Request-60 because it's a data-file only merge that will ensure Chrome 60 will support this service, but I know we're close to the cut point.

Note for TPMs - this is similar to https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=703699#c19

This bug requires manual review: Less than 21 days to go before AppStore submit on M60
Please contact the milestone owner if you have questions.
Owners: amineer@(Android), cmasso@(iOS), josafat@(ChromeOS), bustamante@(Desktop)

For more details visit https://www.chromium.org/issue-tracking/autotriage - Your friendly Sheriffbot

This bug meets the bar for merge to M60. Approving merge. (branch: 3112)

The following revision refers to this bug:
  https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/b1d3e2982d26d72f5968ddc09b73c6c192ecfb5c

commit b1d3e2982d26d72f5968ddc09b73c6c192ecfb5c
Author: Eran Messeri <eranm@google.com>
Date: Mon Jul 03 13:25:33 2017

Add to CT log list Digicert2 and Symantec Sirius.

Digicert CT2 completed probation on 2017-Jun-04.
Symantec Sirius completed probation on 2017-May-30.

R=rsleevi@chromium.org
BUG= 698094 ,692782

Review-Url: https://codereview.chromium.org/2923193002
Cr-Original-Commit-Position: refs/heads/master@{#481160}
Review-Url: https://codereview.chromium.org/2970713002 .
Cr-Commit-Position: refs/branch-heads/3112@{#508}
Cr-Branched-From: b6460e24cf59f429d69de255538d0fc7a425ccf9-refs/heads/master@{#474897}

[modify] https://crrev.com/b1d3e2982d26d72f5968ddc09b73c6c192ecfb5c/net/data/ssl/certificate_transparency/log_list.json

Cloudflare is observing pretty severe rate-limits when submitting to this log. We made approx 35k add-(pre)-chain requests in the 48h period between 12/8 00:00 UTC and 12/10 00:00 UTC; of these, only 7k requests succeeded and the rest failed due to rate-limit.

Would the log operator please specify the rate-limits they chose?  

We are adding the 'DigiCert Trusted Root G4' root to our CT server.

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We are adding the 'SSL.com EV Root Certification Authority RSA R2' root to the CT2 log.

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We are adding the 'SSL.com Root Certification Authority RSA' root to the CT2 log.

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We are adding the 'SSL.com Root Certification Authority ECC' root to the CT2.

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We are adding the 'Atos TrustedRoot 2011' root to the CT2 log.

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