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The fundamental error in the icon of cheeseburger
Reported by alltipt...@gmail.com, May 2 2012 Back to list
Chrome Version       : 18.0.1025.151

On the logo of cheeseburger in the "users" cheese located under the a cutlet. As I know, cheese never put under the cutlet.
 
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Comment 1 by Deleted ...@, May 2 2012
its not kosher anyways))
Comment 2 by pam@chromium.org, May 3 2012
Cc: pam@chromium.org
Labels: -Area-Undefined Area-UI Feature-Profiles
Status: Untriaged
Keep in mind that it would be harder to see both the cheese and the meat clearly if the cheese were between the meat and the lettuce, where it clearly belongs culinarily. Sometimes we have to make these difficult sacrifices to improve usability.
Comment 3 Deleted
In my opinion, cheese, cutlet and salad are clearly visible on the correct icon.
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Comment 5 by rlp@chromium.org, May 3 2012
Cc: jeffreyc@google.com
Comment 6 by sail@chromium.org, Jul 12 2012
Cc: sail@chromium.org
I have to disagree with comment 4. As a colorblind, I see a much better lettuce/cheese separation in the original icon. Let me take that opportunity to thank Google for it's willingness to dismiss culinary tradition in order to improve usability.
Comment 8 by jwd@chromium.org, Jul 12 2012
I'd like to point out that a McDonald's BigMac has cheese placed at the bottom. This can be seen on the McDonald's site http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/product_nutrition.sandwiches.255.big-mac.html
. Frankly this seems like a very strange position for the cheese in the big mac, and perhaps a bug report to McDonald's is in order.
Comment 9 by cpu@google.com, Jul 13 2012
I think the png in comment #4 looks better and probably tastes better.
I agree; the new icon looks more delicious.
Comment 11 by n...@chromium.org, Jul 13 2012
"Tabs on top, cheese on bottom" has been a fundamental Chrome design principle for as long as I can remember.
To comment number 7: do you have less difficulty in seeing the cheese in the original icon? I have perfect color vision (at least I can't complain), and yet it's hard for me to distinguish between the yellow cheese and the light brown bun. The contrast is much clearer in comment number 4's rendering, in which the melty American cheese rests tantilizingly atop of the succulent, sear-sizzled beef.
although I understand the argument that as a BicMac has cheese below patty this would be a commonly accepted position of cheese on a cheeseburger I feel compelled to disagree.
A BigMac is NOT a cheeseburger. Therefore the position of cheese on a BigMac is not germane to the current dilemma.
The cheeseburger in comment #4 is clearly the correct, and superior, combination of ingredients.
Comment 14 by Deleted ...@, Jul 13 2012
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The point is that the image is defined as an 'AVATAR_BURGER'. Neither 'AVATAR_CHEESE_BURGER' nor 'AVATAR_BIG_MAC'.

See http://code.google.com/searchframe#OAMlx_jo-ck/src/chrome/browser/profiles/profile_metrics.cc&exact_package=chromium&q=AVATAR_BURGER&ct=rc&cd=1&sq=

I suggest you to file another bug to replace AVATAR_BURGER with AVATAR_CHEESE_BURGER.
Comment 16 by Deleted ...@, Jul 13 2012
Oh no! I can't use it anymore.

Comment 17 by Deleted ...@, Jul 13 2012
I must lend my vote to the truly correct version as displayed in comment number 4. Cheese always goes on top of the meat not beneath it.
Comment 18 by Deleted ...@, Jul 13 2012
You are all amazing people.
Comment 19 by pam@chromium.org, Jul 13 2012
The Big Mac is clearly an outlier. Indeed, the McDonald's Cheeseburger, obviously a better example of the ur-cheeseburger, places the cheese properly atop the patty:

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/product_nutrition.sandwiches.284.cheeseburger.html
This is clearly a disturbing issue. Please fix
I feel we need to give users choice here. We could either provide different versions of the burger avatar, or expose avatars to themes so that developers can create their own variations of the burger avatar.

Thanks for raising this issue!
Hm, at least among McDonald's burgers, I'm not sure if cheese-under-meat is the exception. Looking at http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/full_menu/sandwiches.html, 5 out of 10 beef burgers have cheese below the lowest layer of meat (i.e., discounting burgers that have for example a cheese-meat-cheese arrangement, like the quarter pounder with cheese).

As pointed out by J. Kenji López-Alt at The Burger Lab (http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2011/05/the-burger-lab-building-a-better-big-mac.html): "My only guess as to why they perform this logic-defying move is that it's an artifact of the assembly-line style construction process at the store."

Nevertheless, we should still strive for the highest-possible standard in fast food icons, and that clearly is cheese on top.
Comment 23 by jessj@chromium.org, Jul 13 2012
Sorry to chime in late but I think what matter is what people are trying to represent.

Burgers where cheese is central to their identity. "Cheeseburgers" or "Quarter Pounders with Cheese" feature cheese directly on patty as this central placement is integral to the essence of the burger.

On the other hand, burgers where cheese is merely a feature, such as the McDouble, need not feature cheese on top of the patty.

The configuration shown in comment four is only appropriate if done in conjunction with renaming the icon AVATAR_CHEESE_BURGER.
Comment 24 by r...@chromium.org, Jul 13 2012
Why isn't this marked release blocker yet?
Please rectify.

While I fall into the "cheese above patty" camp, I think this yellow blob is more likely to be mustard. I would find it hard to somewhat hard to believe that Google would so callously slight its users both by including a lactose-based product AND by portraying it in a non-Kosher preparation.
I'd highlight the fact that this bug is entitled "The fundamental error in the icon of cheesburguer" but doesn't mention the most fundamental error: the lack of bacon. It might be seen as a feature request though.
Comment 27 by Deleted ...@, Jul 13 2012
re: david with the mustard comment. I too, fall in the "cheese above patty" camp, as you put it. But the yellow protrusion from beneath the cutlet is, I think, /clearly/ rectangular-corner-shaped. It also does not appear anywhere else in the image, consistent with a slice of cheese. Even if we were to accept the mustard theory, we would still have to question the wisdom of putting mustard beneath the cutlet. I'm afraid the mustard theory either doesn't hold water, or fails to resolve the original issue.
re: comment #23... What is this "Quarter Pounder" business?

Royale With Cheese!
Comment 29 by shyc2...@gmail.com, Jul 14 2012
The cheese-over-cutlet design might be patented on burgers, which makes it impossible to tweak the icon without being involved into a patent issue.

So I suggest not to change the icon in the Chromium project. When Google get the patent license from the patent-owning burger company, a icon like comment #4 can be included in Google Chrome (but not Chromium) safely.
Personally, I trust the Chrome/ium team to do the right thing and jettison every superfluous aspect of the burger, other than its essentials: the buns.  In this way, users would be able to focus on what matters most to them because the burger icon is what each user makes of it.  

Moreover, some users might be flummoxed by the complexity of such aesthetic features like sesame seeds or the singularity of terms like "cutlet" or Royale with cheese -- even if they were embalmed in well concealed and closely guarded menu options.

At the end of the day, users who crave special features like cutlets or sesame seeds could always acquire them quickly from the Chrome web store, where they will find a plethora of burger extensions and condiment apps reviewed and or +1'd by their closest circles of friends.

All of this would result in a leaner, faster, and more secure burger (immune to mad cow disease and other unsightly contingencies), streamlined and narrowly tailored to fit the compelling interests of each and every Chrome user.

Thank you, and remember, _the burger icon is what you make of it._
Comment 31 by edoan@chromium.org, Jul 14 2012
Can someone provide steps to repro?  I'm not seeing it on Chrome OS R20 2268.111.

I believe the attached icon would be doing right by the user?
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Comment 32 by ilevy@chromium.org, Jul 14 2012
@edoan, #31
Is that a brioche bun?  We are the 99%!
Comment 33 Deleted
@edoan, #31

You're approach separates the cheese from the patty, proximity to which allows that the cheese melts.
Excuse me, but: "cutlet"?  Ahem.  You show your naivety with this one term my good friend.  Clearly cheese is an enhancement regardless of placement and if one is honest with oneself, he would admit that the true desire is for cheese both above AND below the appropriately named PATTY.

+1 to the bacon comment.  Quite right.
Comment 36 by Deleted ...@, Jul 14 2012
demn, what about kosher burgers choice !?!?! 
Comment 37 Deleted
In other news, google chrome has finished development.

In my opinion you all are looking at it wrong. The correct way to assemble a hamburger
in this instance is with the cheese on top of the patty for melting capacity...
And why can't we place it on the bottom?
Because, O naive one, where is the mustard going to go?
Are you telling me the mustard shouldn't be visible? The mustard has to go somewhere.
I don't see it with the ketchup, why is this? What kind of burger is missing mustard?
What kind of heathen makes a hamburger without mustard !?!?!

Everyone here is clearly a slashdotter. 
The BigMac also has a middle bun and 2 beef patties, pickles and special sauce which are also not apparent in this avatar. A separate icon should be created.

Here is a reference img: http://blogs.tcpalm.com/bargainista/big-mac.jpg
Comment 40 by Deleted ...@, Jul 16 2012
The hamburger icon is definitely not locale aware.  In Australia we have beetroot on our hamburgers.  I would definitely +1 for a locale aware hamburger icon.
Status: Invalid
Comment 42 by Deleted ...@, Jul 23 2012
you may fix it

Comment 43 by Deleted ...@, Jul 23 2012
FLIP IT
oops~~~~
Comment 45 by Deleted ...@, Jul 24 2012
天朝围观团前来膜拜
Comment 46 by sting...@gmail.com, Jul 24 2012
膜拜,这个bug牛逼。
Comment 47 by Deleted ...@, Jul 24 2012
围观
Comment 48 by Deleted ...@, Jul 24 2012
细节啊
Comment 49 by Deleted ...@, Jul 24 2012
细节就是芝士的位置问题,其实有同学提议用本地化的汉堡图标,所以我觉得咱们用肉夹馍不错,有辣椒最好:)
Comment 50 by Deleted ...@, Jul 24 2012
Impressive… better to change the icon.
Comment 51 by shyc2...@gmail.com, Jul 24 2012
Please close this issue at once to prevent more meaningless comments in Chinese.
Comment 52 by du9l....@gmail.com, Jul 24 2012
Chinese visitor comes to see serious and got-nothing-better-to-do American fellas.
@51, I'll add more meaning to the "meaningless comments in Chinese."

#45 The heavenly onlookers group come to worship
#46 Worship, this bug Niubi.
#47 Crowd
#48 Details of ah
#49 Detail is the location of the problem of the cheese, in fact, some students suggested the localization of Hamburg icon, so I think we're good with Rouga Mo, pepper the best :)

BTW, if the comments on this bug bother you, you can always unstar it. It's not like the comments actually ever added anything to this issue anyway.
Comment 54 by Deleted ...@, Jul 24 2012
牛逼!细节决定成败啊!
@52, you hit the spot! Unlike somebody who just adds even more meaningless comments criticizing others who adds more meaningless comments.

Sorry @53, Google Translate is simply not there yet. Appropriate translation should be:

#45 Spectators from Chinese coming to worship
#46 Worship it, this bug is so awesome
#47 Spectating
#48 Such a detail!
#49 Detail lies in position of cheese, in fact some students suggested using localized burger icon, so I think it's good using rou jia mo [a local Chinese burger-like food], even better with chili :)


If talking about failures, indeed it's the incapability of localizing images / icons. Sometimes certain culture is not shared by everybody in the world. Though I'd agree trademark / brandname is a concern against localization.
Thanks @55, I was having trouble making sense of the translations. Google Translate definitely still has a long way to go. ;)
Comment 57 by Deleted ...@, Jul 24 2012
敢问一下,这个图标用在那里?
Comment 58 by jay...@gmail.com, Jul 24 2012
谷奥观光团前来围观,我觉得4楼的图标很好
I think the icon in #4 is great.
Comment 59 Deleted
@#51,
do you know "Occupy Obama" in G+ by chinese netizens? The chinese comments here are just as same as that. They 're kidding cause they feel this bug is very interesting.Take it easy.
Comment 61 by Deleted ...@, Jul 24 2012
坐等本地化圖標實現,坐等牛肉鍋盔
Comment 62 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
Translate for 
#57 Excuse me, where could I find this icon?
Comment 63 by kol...@gmail.com, Jul 25 2012
Considering localization for Chinese people, please take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rou_jia_mo ;)
Comment 64 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
我喜欢63楼的肉夹馍
Comment 65 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
直接用肉夹馍图标不是更好?连蔬菜都没有,就不用争执了
Comment 66 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
Rou-jia-mo remains best !! =W= 
Comment 67 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
I bet Rou Jia Mo icon can terminate the arguement.
肉夹馍赛高!
Comment 68 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
Translation Again:
@64 I love the Rou jia mo of Comment 63
@65 Isn't that better to use Rou jia mo Icon? No vegetable, no disagreement.

对了,对于以上天朝人民提出的建议我完全赞同。谷歌需要全球化,需要中国元素,比如肉夹馍,我也很喜欢肉夹馍~~
BTW, I totally agree with the idea from the Chinese guys above. Google need globalize and we are eager to see some Chinese Element and I love rou jia mo AS WELL.


Comment 69 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
#68 +1 +10086
Comment 70 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
#68 +86
Comment 71 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
I love burger!!!

And I love D8.

I love 肉夹馍, too.
Comment 72 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
wo shi cong xueshuzhuangtaidi na li zhi dao de! hahaha!
Comment 73 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
Since the issue still remains as a controversial problem among american thoughts; why dont we try some diversity on this issue. Saying about Roujiamo........I am starving
Go Burgers and Roujiamo! 
Comment 74 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
I just find a message from renren.com recently. The all I want to say is...天朝围观团小板凳前排围观
Comment 75 by Deleted ...@, Jul 25 2012
Witnessed the whole thing,Mr Liu claimed that I was living for almost 42 years,but these guys are the most boring people I've ever seen.

Comment 76 Deleted
Comment 77 by Deleted ...@, Jul 26 2012
лол
Comment 78 by Deleted ...@, Jul 31 2012
This is interesting, traditionally in China, we dont have cheese, we dont have cookie, so we dont give a damn where the cheese is, all we need is to make sure we have the large MEAT between the buns!
Comment 79 by Deleted ...@, Aug 2 2012
 锅盔还必须配上肥肠粉加冒节子要不然不完整了
Comment 80 by Deleted ...@, Aug 2 2012
Translate for #79
It's also about food so no word-to-word translation
Comment 81 by Deleted ...@, Aug 19 2012
我的孩来。。蚌埠人组团前来学习。
Comment 82 by Deleted ...@, Aug 19 2012
嘎嘎嘎,长笑两声。。
Annoying bug
Comment 84 by Deleted ...@, Oct 5 2012
I don't agree with comment 15 replace AVATAR_BURGER with AVATAR_CHEESE_BURGER,
I did this but it not works. http://letdld.blogspot.com and many bugs comes out ... Very anoying
Project Member Comment 85 by bugdroid1@chromium.org, Feb 27 2013
Labels: status_migrated
Status: WontFix
Comment 86 by Deleted ...@, Mar 1 2013
I am so confused what this is even about. I had re-downloaded Chrome to my windows yesterday, and now this burger icon appears instead of the Chrome icon. What happened? Is this a new feature with chrome? Why does this now appear on my iMac?
Comment 87 by Deleted ...@, Mar 1 2013
*Why does this not appear on my iMac...
Project Member Comment 88 by bugdroid1@chromium.org, Mar 10 2013
Labels: -Area-UI -Feature-Profiles Cr-UI-Browser-Profiles Cr-UI
Comment 89 by laforge@google.com, Jul 24 2013
Cc: -jeffreyc@google.com
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